One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth. | The Tolkien Forum

Luckily, some of the supplementary material, namely the Commentary and the Notes on the Commentary, are pretty fascinating and entrancing. Finrod speaks to her then of the subject that has been underlying every line of this story, though we did not know it: Finrod explained that the fates of Men and Quendi were too different, and those who join across this divide find more sorrow than joy. I have conversed with the Valar who were present at the making of athrabrth Music ere the being of the World began.

Amdir you have not, you say.

Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.

Then this must surely follow: No, create an account now. Mithrandir-OlorJan 2, And he has a fair vision of the Eldar and Men dwelling in the beautiful, green world together. He concluded that Men’s natural end was ‘assumption’.

In any way when reading any volume of HoME we must take care to note that the published Silmarillion is in many places contradictory with the other texts wh of HoME.


He would not have run before thee.

But I do think that philosophers gave some thought to those ideas. And that during the Gap there was a very different world, where Angels possibly lived within the world more directly, and there was a Pre-Adamic Race, and that World was basically destroyed by Satan’s fall and the War between the Fallen and Unfallen angels. Adam and most names listed in Genesis 5 lived to over though, all lived to over That a people in possession of such a legend or tradition should have later been deluded by Sauron is sad but, in view of human history generally, not incredible.

This text was originally intended to be the last Appendix of The Silmarillion. This hope was simply that One would enter into Arda, heal man from their wound, which Andreth seemed to think was death and mend all the Marring from beginning to end.

The conversation between Finrod and Andreth took place around F. Now, he remained young while she grew old. Sorry I can’t give quotes, I don’t have the book with me. But you can find this bit of news easily.

I would not have hobbled as a hag after his bright feet, when I could no longer run beside him. When we do finally get the story, it just seems too simple and obvious to really work well. This is what prompted the conversation it was more of a debate, really between Finrod and Andreth at the first place.

Yet with what is this comparison? So I deem, or death would not be found at all in this world which he did not design but Another.


Be respectful and friendly to your fellow posters. But you do not mean dream, Andreth. Are we the Children of the One? Say hello to our friends in the following places:. By the nameless, she meant Melkor, and Finrod cautioned her strongly against xh because in her ignorance she had confused the Enemy with Eru. She worried then that the Hope was impossible for Eru was beyond the world and cannot enter into it.


This is all talked about at some length in the review firod, ie. This subreddit is a space for the Tolkien nerds of reddit to debate and discuss the whole Tolkien mythos. Among the Atani, as you call us, or the Athrabeeth as we say: But great kings do not brook denials, and take what is their due.

Same goes for photos of your Tolkien books there’s a sub for that and for Tolkien-themed artwork a sub for that too! Tolkien, in his commentary on the Athrabeth, says: To defy him does not undo his work of old.

How should I know, or any Man? How did ye anger Eru?

Combined with the notes that follow it, it really is some of the most fascinating reading on the nature and fate of elves and men i’ve come across. Anddeth saw that Melkor was greater than had been understood even by the Elves who had seen him incarnate if he had been able to change Men.